shopify analytics ecommerce
ASD - "The Dangers Of Intervention" - The Original American Sheepdog!
Click Me
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: "The Dangers Of Intervention"

  1. #1
    ASD Senior Member Jim Trueblood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Southwest, USA
    Posts
    1,106
    Thanked: 494

    Icon14 "The Dangers Of Intervention"

    Along with Massad Ayoob, Evan Marshall was a pioneer decades ago when it came to teaching the cold, harsh reality of modern day gunfights to those of us who needed to learn about such things. If you haven't read their books, I highly recommend them. I re-read them all the time. Their advice has never once pointed me in the wrong direction.

    Quite often I re-read Marshall's commentary on "The Dangers Of Intervention". After doing so again this morning, I thought I'd share it here.

    http://www.stoppingpower.net/comment...tervention.asp


    http://www.amazon.com/Stopping-Power-Practical-Analysis-Ammunition/dp/158160128X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330102658&sr=1-1


    http://www.amazon.com/Gravest-Extrem...ref=pd_sim_b_3




    Last edited by Jim Trueblood; 02-24-2012 at 12:03 PM.
    "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
    John Steinbeck





  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Jim Trueblood For This Useful Post:

    Eccentric (02-25-2012), gnarSKYLER (02-23-2012), rkbartley (02-23-2012)

  3. #2

    Default


    I was just reading a post on another forum of a man in a waffle house who intervened in a robbery, and when the robber pointed his weapon at the man, who had drawn his weapon, the CC'er fired and killed the robber. This was a a well written article, with real life experience from someone who intervened for a living. Thanks for sharing it.

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to gnarSKYLER For This Useful Post:

    Jim Trueblood (02-24-2012)

  5. #3

    Default

    I fear this more than anything else.

    I have an image in my head where I draw my gun to stop a crime, the criminal turns and fires at me and I am wounded. I am then prosecuted for assault for pointing my gun at the criminal who then was "forced to defend himself".

    And you all KNOW that this is not as far fetched as it sounds.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to SkivMarine For This Useful Post:

    Jim Trueblood (02-24-2012)

  7. #4
    ASD Senior Member Jim Trueblood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Southwest, USA
    Posts
    1,106
    Thanked: 494

    Wink

    Quote Originally Posted by SkivMarine View Post
    I fear this more than anything else.
    I have an image in my head where I draw my gun to stop a crime, the criminal turns and fires at me and I am wounded. I am then prosecuted for assault for pointing my gun at the criminal who then was "forced to defend himself".
    And you all KNOW that this is not as far fetched as it sounds.
    You are thinking wise thoughts my friend. Having a healthy respect for what could go wrong feels a lot like "fear" but it really isn't. Respect and concern for how quickly and easily things can go horribly and legally wrong in a shooting isn't "fear". It's smart thinking, and thinking before acting is what separates the wise man from the fool.

    Last edited by Jim Trueblood; 02-24-2012 at 05:47 PM.
    "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
    John Steinbeck





  8. #5
    ASD Senior Member

    NWFFT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northwest Florida
    Posts
    1,150
    Thanked: 275
    Blog Entries
    1

    Icon6

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Trueblood View Post
    You are thinking wise thoughts my friend. Having a healthy respect for what could go wrong feels a lot like "fear" but it really isn't. Respect and concern for how quickly and easily things can go horribly and legally wrong in a shooting isn't "fear". It's smart thinking, and thinking before acting is what separates the wise man from the fool.



    If you spend your time thinking (worrying) about should I, Could I, Would I, you are wasting your time worrying! The thing to think about is do I know the laws of my state (and memorize them) and if my life is threatened, will I pull the trigger without regard to worrying about the consequences? If you have the knowledge of the law and what will happen in the aftermath, you will not be inclined to second guess yourself if your life is threatened. If you have second thoughts about what you would do then you might need to reconsider having a firearm for defense...because the instant your cranial function accesses your "stored memory" and it brings back those thoughts of "what if" which WILL happen in a startled response (you can not control that) you will hesitate and it could cost you your life.
    Retired USAF
    NRA Certified Instructor (several disciplines)
    Combat FocusŪ Shooting Instructor
    Certified SIG Armorer
    ACLDN Affliated Instructor
    www.nwfft.com
    barry@nwfft.com

  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to NWFFT For This Useful Post:

    Jim Trueblood (02-25-2012), Sgt T (03-03-2012)

  10. #6
    ASD Senior Member Jim Trueblood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Southwest, USA
    Posts
    1,106
    Thanked: 494

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by NWFFT View Post
    If you spend your time thinking (worrying) about should I, Could I, Would I, you are wasting your time worrying! The thing to think about is do I know the laws of my state (and memorize them) and if my life is threatened, will I pull the trigger without regard to worrying about the consequences? If you have the knowledge of the law and what will happen in the aftermath, you will not be inclined to second guess yourself if your life is threatened. If you have second thoughts about what you would do then you might need to reconsider having a firearm for defense...because the instant your cranial function accesses your "stored memory" and it brings back those thoughts of "what if" which WILL happen in a startled response (you can not control that) you will hesitate and it could cost you your life.
    Good points, however this thread is NOT about SELF-defense. This thread is about INTERVENING with a firearm in an unknown person's situation. At best, that's always a risky venture.
    I also don't consider "thinking" to be the same as "worrying".
    "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
    John Steinbeck





  11. #7

    Default

    Excellent post! We rarely, if ever, hear about the instances where LEOs are sued for doing the job that they are hired to do. While they are legally acting to defend/save members of the public (often being astonishingly ungrateful as illustrated) you really do have to stop and think when it comes to intervening on behalf of someone else as a citizen. People are crazy and getting crazier by the day. Thanks, Jim.
    Human beings understand and respect compassion, kindness, empathy, truth, fairness and logic.
    Predators respect strength

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Eccentric For This Useful Post:

    Jim Trueblood (02-25-2012)

  13. #8
    ASD Senior Member Jim Trueblood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Southwest, USA
    Posts
    1,106
    Thanked: 494

    Icon14 Stop and THINK!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eccentric View Post
    you really do have to stop and think when it comes to intervening on behalf of someone else as a citizen.
    Amen, AMEN, AMEN!

    "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
    John Steinbeck





  14. #9
    ASD Senior Member

    NWFFT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northwest Florida
    Posts
    1,150
    Thanked: 275
    Blog Entries
    1

    Icon6

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Trueblood View Post
    Good points, however this thread is NOT about SELF-defense. This thread is about INTERVENING with a firearm in an unknown person's situation. At best, that's always a risky venture.
    I also don't consider "thinking" to be the same as "worrying".
    If you think you might intervene then you had better be prepared for self defense! One can not worry if they are not thinking about the situation.
    Retired USAF
    NRA Certified Instructor (several disciplines)
    Combat FocusŪ Shooting Instructor
    Certified SIG Armorer
    ACLDN Affliated Instructor
    www.nwfft.com
    barry@nwfft.com

  15. #10

    Default

    I've never been accused of being "WISE" before.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to SkivMarine For This Useful Post:

    Bebo (03-04-2012)

Similar Threads

  1. Holder: "I Frankly Don"t Know"
    By Newt in forum NRA-ILA Current Legislation - Auto Feed
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-06-2011, 05:31 PM
  2. NPR President and VP "Resign" After VP Calls Gun Owners "Seriously Racist"
    By Newt in forum NRA-ILA Current Legislation - Auto Feed
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-11-2011, 08:29 PM
  3. Who's "Unreasonable?" With His Radical Gun Regs Imminent in NYC, Bloomberg Says "NRA
    By Newt in forum NRA-ILA Current Legislation - Auto Feed
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-29-2010, 08:58 PM
  4. Traded "Pink" for "Plink" - Walther P22
    By texengineer in forum Handguns & Ammunition
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 07-11-2010, 11:11 PM
  5. Court Dismisses "Heller II" Case: D.C. Gun Registration, "Assault Weapon" Ban, and "L
    By Newt in forum NRA-ILA Current Legislation - Auto Feed
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-27-2010, 12:40 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Important Site Information