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    Anyone done any testing of this stuff? I have run it for function in my carry gun, and I know the FBI has picked it for the new ammo in their guns (at least in 9mm and 40 s&w I think) but I haven't seen anything on the .45 other than a few questionable vids on YouTube. I'm looking for something to replace hydrashok. I've seen first hand as a Paramedic several failures including 2 total pass through (police shootings) that never even started to expand. I love Speer GD but it's getting harder to find here, and Wally world has lots of the PDX1.

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    Winchester's PDX1 ammo is high quality for sure, easily passing the very difficult FBI standard ballistic tests with flying colors. However, those tests place a great deal of emphasis on bullet performance after it's been shot through hard barriers, like auto windshields for example. Bullet performance after penetrating hard barriers is a major concern for law enforcement personnel who have a sworn duty to pursue and arrest armed & dangerous badguys.

    Personally, I'm not a worshiper of the FBI test standard when it comes to civilian self-defense ammo. There's some good quality products that were developed specifically for the civilian market where over-penetration is a serious civil and criminal concern. Hornady's Critical Defense is a good example.

    http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-185-gr-Critical-Defense
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    Test Barrel (5") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
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    1000/411 936/360 883/321

    3" Barrel Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
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    900/333 853/299 810/270
    Hornady Critical Defense ammunition is the pinnacle in self defense ammunition
    • Unaffected by thick and heavy clothing, including denim and leather.
    • FTX bullet delivers superior controlled expansion and large, deep wound cavities over a wide range of velocities.
    • Clean burning and stable propellants reduce recoil in lightweight handguns, and perform consistently in all temperatures.
    • Minimal muzzle flash protects night vision.
    • Feeds reliably in pistols.
    • Shiny silver nickel plating prevents corrosion, and is easily visible in low light situations.
    • Bullets are cannelured and crimped to avoid bullet setback.
    • Bullets are custom designed for individual loads.
    • The most effective, consistent, and reliable self-defense ammunition available today!



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    I have attended an FBI ballistics seminar and shot the Hornady Critical Defense round in .40 caliber and it out performed most all other rounds....even through glass and steel.
    What I learned about hollow points is that if it does not have a "protector" for the "actual" hollow point, the hollow point will clog and prevent it from expanding.
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    I'll look into the Hornady ammo. I would love to get my hands on some Gel to test with, but the stuff is just to high for me. In the time till I can get hornady or Speer, I've got the PDX1 and I can use the argument that the FBI chose it, and I decided that they tested it more than most groups, so I chose it.

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