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    Default Tips and more for first time handgun owners/shooters

    Thought we could open a real can of worms with a title like this.

    My first comment is about what I carry and why.
    Glock 19 in 9mm

    With my body type the G19 is easy enough for me to conceal. It is large enough for me to comfortably get good contact with both hands on the frame. The distance between the front and rear sight allows for reasonably good aim. Glocks are known for being reliable. They are simple to break down and clean.

    While I really wanted a Glock in .357 Sig I eventually decided against this choice for several reasons. 1) cost of ammo. 2) availability of ammo 3) .357 Sig will go through several walls and a refrigerator before it starts to slow down. I do not want to be responsable for damage to my next door neighbor 4) 9mm is possably the most common round on the market today with the exception of the .22

    Most shootings take place at a distance of about 4 feet. In other words a very short step and arms length. Are you mentally prepaired to shoot and live with the life changing result of that shooting? I would do anything possable to avoid having to shoot. Walking away or running away may be the best choice. The recent shooting in Colorado is something most sheepdogs will mentally struggle with. If they had been armed what would they have done? Yes we have a thread on this topic.

    The choice to carry or even have a firearm in your home is not a choice to be taken lightly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaDog View Post
    My first comment is about what I carry and why. Glock 19 in 9mm. I would do anything possable to avoid having to shoot. Walking away or running away may be the best choice.
    Excellent points.

    You're in good company. Glock is the standard issue pistol for Israel's Special Forces, and countless military and law enforcement units around the world.

    Whether empty-hand, less-than-lethal, or firearm, the true purpose of self-defense, for a civilian, is to create distance and escape.
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    There is no substitute for good training. Carrying a handgun responsibly involves a complex set of physical skills, knowledge and a certain understanding of your own philosophy of life.

    Please note however that most permit classes will NOT turn you into a marksman. You will receive a rudimentary knowledge of handguns. You may be given a drawing of what a sight picture looks like. You probably will not be given much information in the way of proper stance and grip.

    My suggestion would be to search out permit classes that are not the shortest nor even the least expensive. If the training center you choose teaches advanced classes so much the better, it means that the instructors likely have skills themselves. By selecting a training center with advanced classes you know where to go for more instruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaDog View Post
    There is no substitute for good training.

    Ditto!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Trueblood View Post

    Ditto!
    Gonna get some of that myself in October in north Florida! Looking forward to it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suncat05 View Post
    Gonna get some of that myself in October in north Florida! Looking forward to it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaDog View Post
    Thought we could open a real can of worms with a title like this.

    My first comment is about what I carry and why.
    Glock 19 in 9mm

    With my body type the G19 is easy enough for me to conceal. It is large enough for me to comfortably get good contact with both hands on the frame. The distance between the front and rear sight allows for reasonably good aim. Glocks are known for being reliable. They are simple to break down and clean.

    While I really wanted a Glock in .357 Sig I eventually decided against this choice for several reasons. 1) cost of ammo. 2) availability of ammo 3) .357 Sig will go through several walls and a refrigerator before it starts to slow down. I do not want to be responsable for damage to my next door neighbor 4) 9mm is possably the most common round on the market today with the exception of the .22


    Most shootings take place at a distance of about 4 feet. In other words a very short step and arms length. Are you mentally prepaired to shoot and live with the life changing result of that shooting? I would do anything possable to avoid having to shoot. Walking away or running away may be the best choice. The recent shooting in Colorado is something most sheepdogs will mentally struggle with. If they had been armed what would they have done? Yes we have a thread on this topic.

    The choice to carry or even have a firearm in your home is not a choice to be taken lightly.
    Your comment on point #3 is very correct...with BALL ammo, it needs some more definition (is the same true with hollow points? ...probably not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWFFT View Post
    Your comment on point #3 is very correct...with BALL ammo, it needs some more definition (is the same true with hollow points? ...probably not)
    Good observation. Hollow points by their very nature are not likley to have the same penetration as ball ammo other factors being equal. However my ideas on the subject is tainted by long term thinking. It may at some point become difficult to aquire hollowpoints in any caliber.

    For instance it seems that the Social Security Administration is in the process of purchasing 174,000 rounds of .357 sig hollow as we speak.

    I just don't know what this will do to supply in the coming months. Need someone with a higher paygrade than mine to tell me the result of this type of demand.
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    I have been doing a little testing with different rounds of 9mm ammo., by shooting into gallon milk jugs full of water. The hollow point rounds penetrated into the fourth jug, and I recovered them there. I know this isn't as good as shooting into ballistic jel, but the jugs were all I had. The hollow points expanded fully, just like they were supposed to. I shot a FMJ into four jugs and it went all the way through all four jugs. I'm going to have to try that one again when I get more jugs. I also want to see how many jugs a .45 FMJ round will penetrate. When I get through shooting all the rounds I want to try, I will include pics, if I can remember how to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottonmouth View Post
    When I get through shooting all the rounds I want to try, I will include pics, if I can remember how to do it.
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