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    By Maxim Lott
    Published September 01, 2010

    The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a
    million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in

    The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed
    course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that
    is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

    A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

    "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines --
    could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman

    "We are working closely with our Korean allies and the U.S. Army in exploring alternative options
    to dispose of these firearms."

    Gun control advocates praised the Obama administration for taking security seriously.
    "Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of
    the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a
    great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."

    But gun rights advocates point out that possessing M1 rifles is legal in the United States -- M1s
    are semi-automatics, not machine guns, meaning the trigger has to be pulled every time a shot is
    fired -- and anyone who would buy a gun from South Korea would have to go through the standard
    background check.

    "Any guns that retail in the United States, of course, including these, can only be sold to someone
    who passes the National Instant Check System," said David Kopel, research director at the
    conservative Independence Institute. "There is no greater risk from these particular guns than
    there is from any other guns sold in the United States."

    M1 carbines can hold high-capacity ammunition clips that allow dozens of rounds to be fired before
    re-loading, but Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, noted that is true
    about any gun in which an ammunition magazine can be inserted -- including most semi-automatics.

    "Anything that accepts an external magazine could accept a larger capacity magazine," Cox said.

    "But the average number of rounds fired in the commission of a crime is somewhere between 1 and 2 …
    this issue just shows how little the administration understands about guns."

    He called the administration's decision "a de facto gun ban, courtesy of Hillary Clinton's State

    Asked why the M1s pose a threat, the State Department spokesman referred questions to the Bureau of
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF representatives said they would look into the
    question Monday afternoon, but on Wednesday they referred questions to the Justice Department. DOJ
    spokesman Dean Boyd referred questions back to the State Department.

    According to the ATF Guidebook on Firearms Importation, it would normally be legal to import the
    M1s because they are more than 50 years old, meaning they qualify as "curios or relics." But
    because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special
    category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale.

    Kopel said that he hopes the State Department spokesman's statement that it is working to "dispose"
    of the guns does not mean they want to melt them down.

    "It seems to have this implication of destruction, which would be tremendously wasteful," he
    said. "These are guns that should be in the hands of American citizens for marksmanship and safety

    Asked whether melting the guns down would be a good option, Henigan said: "Why let them into the
    country in the first place? If there is a legally sufficient way to keep them out, we think it's
    perfectly reasonable to do so."

    Past administrations have also grappled with the issue of large-scale gun imports.

    The Clinton administration blocked sales of M1s and other antiquated military weapons from the
    Philippines, Turkey and Pakistan. It also ended the practice of reselling used guns owned by
    federal agencies, ordering that they be melted down instead.

    In contrast, 200,000 M1 rifles from South Korea were allowed to be sold in the U.S. under the
    Reagan administration in 1987.

    A decision like that would be better for everyone, Cox said.

    "M1s are used for target practice. For history buffs, they're highly collectible. We're going to
    continue to make sure that this backdoor effort that infringes not only on lawful commerce but on
    the Second Amendment is rectified."

    Henigan disagrees.

    "They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity
    magazines makes them a special safety concern," he said.

    The White House referred questions on the issue to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the
    U.S. Embassy in South Korea, which deferred back to the State Department. (Same old run-around)

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    The administration doing an about face on the issue of letting the guns be sold here? No surprise at all since this seems to be what they do best (even in the face of audio proof two weeks apart.)

    The speed with which the questions are referred from one department, to another, to another is dizzying.
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