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    Cool The Caining Of Perry & Romney

    So surprise, surprise! Cain wins the Florida straw poll. I just luv it when the prophets of politics are waaay wrong. Guess they don't know the "people" as good as they thought they did. He didn't eek out his victory either. It was an old fashioned azz-kicking.

    I'm not a republican, nor am I a democrat. I'm a hardline independent. On matters of national security and border security, powers of the federal government, our military, and law enforcement, I tend to be quite conservative. On the other hand, when it comes to social issues I tend to be quite liberal. I want the federal government out of the personal lives and bedrooms of all law-abiding citizens. The party I agree with most? I guess that would be the Libertarian Party, but only mostly, not entirely.

    I'll date myself here a bit and say that back in the 70s it was easy to find "conservative democrats" and "moderate republicans" who BOTH strongly supported our 2A rights. Hell, I knew "conservative democrats" who had gun collections that would've made Dillinger's gang look under-armed. Unfortunately, these birds seem to be as rare today as platform shoes and bell bottoms (c'mon admit it, you wore'em too).

    Anyway, I say all that because I really have watched all the GOP debates so far with an "independent", open mind. Hey, I just want Obama outta-there. I'm not too particular who does it. But I'm beginning to think it's going to take a very good "ticket" to beat Obama, and not just one candidate.

    The three who impress me most, so far, are Romney, Perry, and Cain. I'm also thinking along the lines of which candidate can actually win a NATIONAL election and send Obama packing.

    I'll vote for Romney over Obama every day of the week, but Romney has always been wishy-washy when asked about 2A rights. His answer is usually something along the lines of, "Oh yes, I support hunting, I've hunted many times". Hunting? Did he just say "hunting"? We all know the 2A is NOT about hunting. Romney has supported every restrictive gun law that has turned the state of Massachusettes into one of the most unfriendly gun states. And of course there's Romney-Care, which no matter how you slice it, is socialized healthcare. I will say this, Romney is one slick talker, polished and prepared.

    Now Perry has really thrown me for a loop. I like Perry. He supports the 2A / Right To Carry strongly, and is a hardline law & order guy. But I was stunned at how soft Perry is on immigration. He's opposed to the border security fence project, and he supports the children of illegal mexicans attending the University of Texas for FREE! Well, it's not really "free". ALL you texans get to pay for all those diplomas to illegals out of your paychecks. Of course the children of American citizens are left to find some way to PAY to attend the school. Nope, no free rides for the American students.

    Then there's Cain. Every time the guy speaks I like what he has to say, BUT, he has no political track record. I've no idea what his position on anything really is. There's just too many (9) in the debates right now to spend much time questioning any one candidate.

    I like Perry more than I like Romney, but while Perry plays well in Texas, I'm not certain he can win a national election. Then again, the same was said about a couple fellows named Bush.

    Bachman & Paul? I like a lot of what they have to say, but I have doubts about both nationally. And sometimes, just sometimes, Paul seems a bit, well, "out there", at least to me.

    The rest of the field, well, right now they're just the rest of the field.

    Forgetting about them as individuals and thinking ticket-wise, I think there's a few powerhouse ticket combos in there. Right now my feeling is on a national level a Romney/Cain, Romney/Bachman, or Perry/Cain ticket would CRUSH Obama into dust. I'm talking landslide.

    Oh well, November, 2012 is still a long way off and a lot can change. Until then, the "debate" continues.



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    "Then there's Cain. Every time the guy speaks I like what he has to say, BUT, he has no political track record. I've no idea what his position on anything really is. There's just too many (9) in the debates right now to spend much time questioning any one candidate."

    Jim,

    What was 0bummer's "political" record before he was given the high office? Mr. Cain has stated that he does not know a great deal about politics, but as a PROVEN, SUCCESSFUL businessman and CEO, he knows how to surround himself and be able to judge the qualities of the staff he will choose.

    Romney and Perry are doing nothing but throwing jabbs at each other, while Cain is still saying what we can do with a comprehensive plan.

    This is all to say that Cain is still a runner, and my be the best runner we got!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWFFT View Post
    Jim, What was 0bummer's "political" record before he was given the high office?
    Actually, Obama had a very well known, documented, political track record long before he was elected president.

    He was known in Congress as being extreme left wing. He was on record as being an admirer of european socialism. He supported the idea of a World Court that could overrule our Supreme Court. He supported the idea of a global government.

    His circle of political friends were well known for their hateful, anti-American rhetoric, and in some cases their criminal activity.

    He was well known as being extremely anti 2A/Right To Carry. He fully supported Chicago's handgun ban, and would support a national handgun ban. He supported, and still does, both Handgun Control Incorporated and The Brady Campaign. Both those organizations campaigned for him and raised money for him when he was running for Congress as well as when he ran for president.

    He was opposed, and still is, to the border security fence.

    He said his "mentor" (his word not mine) was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, one of the most racist, anti-American people I've ever heard speak. Reverend Wright not only married the Obamas, he also baptized their two children. The Obamas attended Wright's church for 20 years. When running for president Obama referred to Wright as his "mentor" several times. His "mentor" gave a speech about how on 09-11 America got what it deserved, in which he gleefully exclaimed, "God DAMN America!".

    William Ayers, another Obama friend from the Chicago days, was the leader of the Weather Underground, a self-proclaimed communist revolutionary group who conducted a campaign of public bombings during the 60s here in the USA, including planting bombs on police vehicles. Ayers called, and still does, the USA a "terrorist state", and advocated public bombings and armed robberies. Still today, Ayers states he regrets nothing and is proud he personally planted bombs on police cars. He's a walking POS.

    The list of Obama's pre-presidential, radical associates goes on and on.

    There's an old saying which was taught to me by one of my early mentors which I firmly believe,
    "You ARE who you associate with".

    This and much, MUCH more was all on the table about Obama LONG before he became president, which is why I proudly tell people, "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain/Palin".
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    "Now Perry has really thrown me for a loop. I like Perry. He supports the 2A / Right To Carry strongly, and is a hardline law & order guy. But I was stunned at how soft Perry is on immigration. He's opposed to the border security fence project, and he supports the children of illegal mexicans attending the University of Texas for FREE! Well, it's not really "free". ALL you texans get to pay for all those diplomas to illegals out of your paychecks. Of course the children of American citizens are left to find some way to PAY to attend the school. Nope, no free rides for the American students."

    I believe I can answer the question concerning the "free" education for illegals children....it got him elected again. I can't back that up with fact; however, he was really wineing and dining the hispanic vote this last election. As far as "the fence" is concerned...I have to say that I agree with him. There is just too many miles to fence, too many miles to maintain. We would be better off spending that money on manpower and electronic monitoring....but we can't get that out of Washington, either, so it is a mute point.

    Perry is a slick politician...he has been my governor for a lot of years and been in Texas politics for many years prior to that. He has a way of making people either like him or hate him. There is very little middle ground. I have always voted for him because I liked the other person running even less. He is strong 2-A and strong law & order...but I really don't know how the rest of the nation will receive him...especially since apparently so many people seem to still hate W.

    As far as Romney is concerned...he is too plastic. That is all I can say. I am going off of total intuition here and I know that drives some of you guys nuts...but, that is how it is. He is the 2011 version of Barbie's Ken.

    I like Herman Cain. I liked him before anyone had hardly heard of him. I like the fact that he speaks his mind and not sound bites. He speaks logically and not for effect.

    That is all I have to say....

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    I had the same issue with Perry and the collage thing as you all until my wife corrected me.

    He is not for giving free college to illegals. Here is a quote from one of the debates
    " if you’ve been in the state of Texas for three years, if you’re working towards your college degree, and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas, you pay in-state tuition there,” said Perry."

    That's not even close to free. I was all set to drop Perry from consideration over a misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decline View Post
    I had the same issue with Perry and the collage thing as you all until my wife corrected me.
    He is not for giving free college to illegals. Here is a quote from one of the debates
    " if you’ve been in the state of Texas for three years, if you’re working towards your college degree, and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas, you pay in-state tuition there,” said Perry."That's not even close to free. I was all set to drop Perry from consideration over a misunderstanding.
    I still like Perry. There's a whole lot more to getting my vote than just one issue.

    It's true that some illegals pay in-state tuition, but that doesn't impress me. Why should an ILLEGAL have the right by Texas law, a bill that Perry pushed through the state legislation, to pay the same tuition as a Texas citizen? Why should an American kid from out-of-state have to pay A LOT more than an ILLEGAL to attend the University of Texas? Santorum and Romney HAMMERED Perry on this issue at the last debate and Perry's "You have no heart" explanation came across as WEAK. Perry looked helpless on this issue. By the way, the illegal kids who honestly can't pay even the in-state tuition are given the tuition money by the state. This sounds like California not Texas.

    I'm disappointed in Perry's soft immigration policies, but he wants that mexican vote, just like Bush did. I can't blame him for being a politician.

    I like his positions on 2A/Right To Carry, Law Enforcement (other than immigration), criminal justice, victim's rights, and government wasteful spending. I've no doubt like every other presidential candidate Perry's gonna do a little flip-flop every now and then. But he's a LONG way from me writing him off. There's still a lot I like about Perry.

    And in case anyone's wondering out there I am NOT anti-Mexican, anti-immigration, or anti-figuring out a logical solution to our illegal Mexican population. 99% of illegal Mexicans come here to earn money to give their families a better life. I saw them for decades doing back-breaking field labor for minimum wage, working 12 hours a day in 100 degree heat. I've never seen a tougher working culture.

    I LUV the southwestern culture of our country, and spent 25 years in the deep southwest. Our southwestern culture was created a long time ago by the blending of American and Mexican ways of life, and it makes for a beautiful lifestyle.





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    I hear you Jim, my point is that a lot of people seem to be under the impression that Perry is advocating sending illegals to college free of charge when in fact they're only receiving an in-state discount, and they're only receiving that if they have been in the state for three years and are activally pursuing citizenship. I'm not crazy about this idea but it's a far cry from the prevalent misconception that Perry wants to give free college to illegals. P.S. Herman Cain 2012.

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